Sometimes killers are the people you least expect...and sometimes they are the people you most expect.
People on Reddit are sharing their own (allegedly) true crimes stories, answering the question, "Has anyone known a killer before they killed? What were they like?"
Here are the most fascinating, devastating responses.
1. Thank goodness PieSavantwas satisfied with their doorknobs.
A few years ago I hired a father-son handyman team to help me get my house ready to put on the market. Among other things, my outside doorknobs were in bad shape so they installed new ones. The dad seemed pretty nice, even did a little bit for free. On their 3rd and last day at my house, he was pretty fired up about a big job they were starting the next day. Three days later he killed his new clients because they were unhappy with his work. A neighbor saw what happened and ran into her house and hid. He kicked her door in and shot her too. I was terrified until he was caught.
2. notsarahpaulson has their own American Crime Story.
My little sister dated a guy when she was in high school who ended up murdering a couple he owed money to for heroin. This dude beat them with a [microphone stand] and a hammer... He almost got the death sentence, but ended up with life in prison...
He was a seemingly nice, polite teenager. I used to drive him and my sister around for various dates and things. He was quiet, but not oddly so. He just seemed like a normal teenage boy.
...He is eligible for parole after 51 years. This happened in 2015.
I graduated high school with Dr. Death, Chris Duntsch.
He was an a**hole. He was charming with teachers and people who could benefit him. He was awful to everybody else. I didn’t see it, but one or more awkward and vulnerable classmates said he bullied him relentlessly, and I believe it.
He was easily irritated and if you got on his nerves he would really lose his cool. Remarkably mean. And people would just shrug their shoulders and say that’s just how Chris is.
4. ValhallaFalling knew a murderer AND a vandal.
One of my parents friends use to come around all the time. He was probably only 21. Nicest guy ever. Type of guy who wouldn't hurt a fly.
A couple of years later he moved and we seen him on the news for murder. Turned out he got on the ice and his girlfriend convinced him to kill her ex with her. They then buried him in concrete.
Only reason they got caught was because they wrote their f*cking names in the concrete.
Was hired at the same time as him. Worked right next to him for several years. He was one of those stoner guys always bragging about the parties he went to. He was a little obnoxious in a "bro" sort of way so I always skipped hanging out with him after work.
After I left that job a little while later he killed his ex girlfriend while her 5yo was in the apt watching tv, took the kid on a road trip to Texas, and smothered her on Christmas Morning and left her in a suitcase on the side of the road.
He was an a**hole. I'm not surprised he killed somebody. He killed a 65 year old man in a revenge/drive by shooting. He [shot] at the wrong house. The guy he intended to kill didn't even live in that neighborhood.
I spent 3 months on a study abroad with a special forces, ex-FBI, guy named ‘Joe’. We were a small group of mostly students whereas Joe was older and there as part of foreign immersion training for the military. He was a little odd/awkward at times and didn’t share too much about himself which we mostly attributed to the age difference.
I’d describe Joe as very intense but kind-hearted. The military was very important to him and he always seemed very focused on that. But occasionally he’d make a dry joke or let his guard down for a moment with the group. He was very into photography and shared lots of great photos from the trip.
He was also somewhat the protector of the group and we always felt completely safe with him. One story I’ll share was when he was walking over a bridge and spied some guys in the trees waiting to jump down and rob him. He pulled out a large knife he carried on him and casually brandished it as he walked by. The guys smartly decided not to mess with Joe, but after he crossed he saw them sprint across the bridge and hide behind a building. Two policemen showed up shortly after and Joe showed them where the guys were hiding so the police could arrest them.
Anyways, a few years after we got back I heard the news that he had killed someone and took his own life. He had been training for a new position and his commander deemed that he wasn’t physically fit enough for the job. The judgment effectively ended his career and he felt he had been unfairly judged. He brought a gun into the base and shot his commander dead then killed himself.
I went to High School with a girl who poisoned her father. No one knew until she confessed a year later watching a Shakespeare play in College. She was a little weird in school, but I didn't think she was capable of that...
9. Chaosism's story is truly devastating.
In my first semester of college, I had a computer science professor I really loved. Near the end of the semester, he told us he may be taking time off and finding a replacement for the semester. His severely autistic son had died in a 'tragic pool accident'. He noted that the media was trying to make him look bad. I created a GoFundMe for funeral expenses; he appreciated it and shared photos to use on the page.
Fast forward half a year. I get calls from news reporters asking what my thoughts are... He had been arrested on suspected unintentional manslaughter. It turns out, he had left his son outside in the cold by the pool, unsupervised, when he left for work. His son was never supposed to be unattended. His son was outside for who knows how long before the professor's daughter found the boy face down in the pool.
Further research into the case revealed the boy was living in an unfurnished basement, feces all over the walls, often left alone. The police were at the home frequently; CPS had made various safety requirements for them that they never followed.
He's being charged with unintentional manslaughter and various forms of child abuse. Him and his wife are being charged for filling the boy's Ritalin prescription for many, many months after the death.
I still believe it was intentional. Texts revealed the daughter discovered the boy when the professor texted her, asking her to check if 'Freak' was okay.
I worked with a guy that murdered his gf. He was a cool dude. I sat with him a lot on my lunch breaks. We talked about football, school, life etc. Pretty normal stuff. Never would think he was a killer. He was not an aggressive person at all.
I dated a guy who later stabbed his mother to death. He was psychotic and abusive, and I fled the state because I was afraid he was going to kill me. I found out years later that he murdered his mother just a few months after I left him. He's still in prison. It's been 20 years and I still have nightmares about him and I still feel a little sick talking about it.
I was friends with a guy who was accused of physical abusing his son. He went through the courts to fight it. The ex girlfriend finally admitted she made it up because he cheated on her .
He ended up killing her then himself.
13. A5C3ND3D story is a TaskRabbit job gone wrong.
There was this kid that would sit next to me in Chemistry during my sophomore year of HS. Some days he’d be totally out of it with his head down, other days he’d be answering every question in class. On the worse end he’d sometimes get up and run out of the classroom. Our TA would then spend most of the period trying to find him. His life was definitely shit by the looks of it.
Fast forward a year later it turned out he got hired by some kid outside of school as a hitman (kid wanted his parents dead). He brought a hammer to the kid’s house, injuring his mom but he got fought off by the kid’s dad. He ran off but got caught at a nearby gas station. He got a sixteen year sentence about two weeks ago.
This is an absolutely true story, I knew the whole family. Lived on the same street.
When I was 14, I lived in a trailer park and knew everyone who rode the bus with me. There was this 15yr old girl in my grade level, Cameron Carr (she went by Camie) who was a bit of an outcast, she wasn't bullied or picked on, but rather she had a strange attitude. Snarky, like Jessica Jones, but less outgoing. Not shy, just didn't talk to people. She had two younger brothers, one was 10 (don't recall his name), the other was 6 (his name was Jackson Carr).
My younger brother, who was 6 at the time, was in the same 1st grade class as her youngest brother Jackson.
On April 15th of 2002, Camie's dad went to mail his taxes, leaving the 3 kids alone as their mom was going to be getting home from work soon anyway. Camie managed to convince her 10yr old brother and her 6yr old brother to play hide-and-seek with her.
Unfortunately, little Jackson couldn't have known the terrible plot Camie had in store for him.
At roughly 5pm, Camie Carr removed the siding (what we all called it; it's the paneling that hides the gap between the trailer and the ground) from the rear of her trailer home. It's pretty easy to take off, they slide off once you pry the top piece off. Once she removed that siding, she dug a shallow hole in the ground.
After digging the hole, she had her 10yr old brother get 2 sticks and sharpened their tips. She placed those sticks on the ground next to the hole, then told Jackson to come play hide-and-seek. She told Jackson that her and him would go hide, while the 10yr old brother would count. She led him to the rear of the trailer, and told him to climb into the hole. She held him down, and called the 10yr old brother over. She and the 10yr old then took turns stabbing Jackson in the neck and throat. They threw some dirt on top of him, and then replaced the siding.
At 6:45pm, the Carr parents called 911 as they could not find Jackson and the 10yr old said he couldn't find him anymore after playing hide-and-seek. I remember everyone in the entire trailer park was outside, looking around for this little 6yr old boy who got lost, or was surely just at someone's house playing with a friend.
After hours and hours of searching, the 10yr old could not bare the burden of guilt anymore. He told the police that him and Camie had killed Jackson, and Camie confessed, leading the police to the back of the trailer, removing the paneling and exposing his lifeless body.
My brother was absolutely distraught for months. He didn't want to go to school, he didn't want to eat, it was a complete shock to him, to have his best friend murdered by his own siblings. Everyone at my middle school heard the news as well, nobody was necessarily "surprised" but we were ALL stunned she would commit murder. Especially to kill her own tiny little brother.
It's one of the top 3 worst things that happened in that trailer park, and I lived there for 9 years (all the way through senior yr of h.s.).
She was sentenced to 25 years on April 16th 2002. Her full name is Cameron Elizabeth Carr, born 1/11/1987 and is currently serving at Murray Prison in Texas.
The 10yr old brother was placed at Denton County Juvenile Detention Center, and I can only assume was held there until he turned 18. I can't seem to find his name to get further information.